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Post by Conn on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 16:27

Mh, ghosting patch... It works great with bsnes .65 and 68. But not 75. I think its an input problem like you press start button too long when confirming the slot. Will check this on Monday
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 16:29

Eh, doesn't matter to me any more - emuandco was right! I changed the SD card to a faster one, and all my woes disappeared. I am SUPER-STOKED about this now. I can't even begin to explain it. I just started laughing uncontrollably when I watched the intro video on my SD2SNES.
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Post by emuandco on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 16:40

See? Works
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Post by Conn on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 16:55

Ohem, all saveslots? Need to fix the bsnes .75 though
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 17:01

I have noticed a slightly buggy behaviour - in order for the game to play the video, I have to create the save file, name it, and then reset the game, and start that save file again. In simpler terms, it does not play in the same game instance that it was created.

And yes, it works on all saveslots.
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Post by Conn on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 17:42

Ok I check this all when I'm back on my computer.
So the only reason why it didn't work first was your slow sd?
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Post by emuandco on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 17:49

Worked here... hmmm
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Post by Conn on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 18:13

What worked? The starting new slot without needing to reset? Strange
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 18:13

A further update: I have since found that seemingly the only way to 'bypass' the video is to select a blank spot, enter a name, and immediately thereafter, select it without moving the cursor up or down. Even moving the cursor away and then back will cause it to play when that file is selected. I will, of course, test this further.

*wryly* Seems to be something of a thing with me - I find strange bugs that nobody else can reproduce.

Even using the new SD2SNES firmware reset codes 'enables' the playback.

It's a minor problem anyway, and likely to be more to do with some strange errata of my system (I've modded/repaired/augmented the thing to kingdom come and back), so I wouldn't worry about it overmuch.


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Post by emuandco on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 18:14

Yes, several times. Main save was Nr 1 and I started a new on Nr 2. I was able to simply retest it that way by just switching off the SNES. MSU ROMs can only be saved if you hop back to the sd2snes menu.
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 19:24

Okay, I have updated my Opening Intro archive - the video fills more of the screen and isn't quite so squashed as it was before.  There's still a pretty hefty border which I would love to get rid of, but somehow am unable...but it's still an improvement.  The audio has been slightly modified to sync with the lip movements more accurately as well.
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Post by emuandco on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 19:47

OK, seems like the video can be 240x160@15fps, or 224x144@20fps. We chose the smaller one ^^ Did you change it in the new one?

It seems like the whole video is synched by video signal. So 15/20 fps might cause your lips problem...

NTSC non-interlace = 21477272/(1364*262-4) = 60.0991482hz
NTSC interlace = 21477272/(1364*525)*2 = 59.9840022 / 2 = 29.9920011hz

PAL non-interlace = 21281370/(1364*312) = 50.0069789hz
PAL interlace = 21281370/(1364*625)*2 = 49.9269677 / 2 = 24.9634839hz

NTSC standard video = 60 / 1.001 = 59.9400599 / 2 = 29.97003
PAL standard video = 50hz / 2 = 25hz
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Post by ikari_01 on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 20:06

224x144 @29.97fps actually Wink 224x144 is the only resolution my player can handle. It's also quite crude as it was only meant as a proof of concept. e.g. it will not adapt to 50/60Hz automatically. At 50Hz it will just play slower with the audio running away. Maybe with a different storage scheme bigger video frames would be possible at the expense of some image quality (think Super Road Blaster).
Anyway that clip is the perfect introduction to the story and fits so beautifully before the playable part. Running this on the SNES made me tear up a little :')
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 20:12

Haha, I'm actually a little embarrassed by such kind words from you, ikari_01. I'm actually gearing up to record an actual demo video of this right now. My ultimate goal is to get people interested in the MSU-1 and expanding the number of people who want to revitalize old games with its capability.
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Post by emuandco on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 20:17

Small correction from my side...
240x160 is PAL
224x144 is NTSC

Nice to see that I am not alone with that dream :-D
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sat 25 Oct 2014 - 22:13

Demo video uploaded. Apologies for the quiet audio - I got rid of my studio microphones last year (I wasn't recording like I used to), so I had to use the crappy built-in-mic on my digital camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QJyn5dpjg&list=UUaQ2hYPDOC89H1kuIeEd24w
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Post by Conn on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 2:32

Yeah, I suggested that something with the joypad input might be wrong. That's the first thing I'll look into since rh is more accurate

To explain it further I think bsnes until v.68 has the zsnes system which autmatcally resets the joypad register when on autofire. Somehow rh and probably bsnes .75 take the button press from name entry with it to the video, stopping it before it even began.
Easy to fix, expect a new patch tomorrow.

Thanks for your player ikari. Was an odysee to port it but probably worth the effort.
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Post by ikari_01 on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 5:49

emuandco wrote:Small correction from my side...
240x160 is PAL
224x144 is NTSC
These aren't hard limits. MSU1 does not specify a video format, it simply transfers data from mass storage to SNES. The format I happened to define for my example video player always uses 224x144. d4s's format for Super Road Blaster is 256x192 or something. The only real limits are VRAM and DMA bandwidth during blanking - the smaller the video (vertically) the more scanlines you can use for transferring data. It's up to the creativity and effort of the programmer what size and quality are possible. Wink
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Post by Conn on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 6:27

Can somebody make a bug list? I was a bit confused with all the post. Please with clear description
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 7:20

I think that the 'skipping video' on New Game bug is the only one I know of, as the black flicker on audio playback is really more of an optimization thing - improve it if you can, of course, but it's a more than acceptable tradeoff as it stands for the audio.

If it really is caused by input (holding a button press too long when starting a new game), a simple input-disable delay for the first, oh, I don't know, five seconds or so of playback should fix it.

ikari_01 wrote:
emuandco wrote:Small correction from my side...
240x160 is PAL
224x144 is NTSC
These aren't hard limits. MSU1 does not specify a video format, it simply transfers data from mass storage to SNES. The format I happened to define for my example video player always uses 224x144. d4s's format for Super Road Blaster is 256x192 or something. The only real limits are VRAM and DMA bandwidth during blanking - the smaller the video (vertically) the more scanlines you can use for transferring data. It's up to the creativity and effort of the programmer what size and quality are possible. Wink

Aren't we limited by the output of the SNES itself? To my understanding, the best video quality the console can output is 240p through RGB (which any self-respecting retro enthusiast will use).
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Post by emuandco on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 7:35

SNES can do more ^^
224 (NTSC) / 239 (PAL) lines in Progressive-Mode, 448 / 478 Zeilen in Interlaced-Mode. 256 Pixel per Line in Default-Mode, 512 in „High-Res“ Mode.
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Post by TheRetromancer on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 7:47

But 512 so-called "High-Res" is interlaced...and that comes with its own set of problems.

* Interessiert * 'Zeilen'? Sind Sie Deutsche, dann? Ich spreche deutsch passabel; sehr cool!
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Post by ikari_01 on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 9:45

Ich komme übrigens auch aus Deutschland Wink

512 hires mode comes in interlaced and non-interlaced flavors. sd2snes uses 512x224 for the menu.

In other news I have a flicker free MSU Zelda Wink Going to post the changes shortly.
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Post by ikari_01 on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 10:37

OK, here goes.
First, this is my interpretation of memory locations, I hope I got them (about) right:
Code:
$0129: currently playing MSU track (used for track change detection)
$012C: track request from zelda sound engine hooks
$0130: backup of currently playing MSU track (apparently never read)
$0133: track no. passed through to SPC ($F1 = mute - when MSU1 used)

I introduce a new flag at $013F that indicates a pending audio track request to the MSU1. This location looked free to me but it might have to be relocated.

In the existing MSU routine I made the following changes:
Code:

$22/E910 ISR MSU playback handler / SPC bypass
==============================================
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< EXISTING CODE
$22/E9BB AD 33 01    LDA $0133
$22/E9BE D0 03       BNE $03  
$22/E9C0 AD 2C 01    LDA $012C
$22/E9C3 8D 04 20    STA $2004
$22/E9C6 8D 29 01    STA $0129
$22/E9C9 9C 05 20    STZ $2005
$22/E9CC 9C 2C 01    STZ $012C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FROM HERE ON, OVERWRITE EXISTING CODE WITH THE FOLLOWING:
>$22/E9CF A9 01       LDA #$01
>$22/E9D1 8D 3F 01    STA $013F  ; use $013F as "MSU1 busy pending" flag
>$22/E9D4 AD 00 20    LDA $2000  
>$22/E9D7 80 04       BRA $04 [$E9DD]
>$22/E9D9 EA          NOP
>$22/E9DA EA          NOP
>$22/E9DB EA          NOP
>$22/E9DC EA          NOP
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< RESUME EXISTING CODE
$22/E9DD F0 01       BEQ $01
$22/E9E0 A9 F1       LDA #$F1
$22/E9E2 8D 40 21    STA $2140
$22/E9E5 8D 33 01    STA $0133
$22/E9E8 60          RTS
As you see the code waiting for the busy flag and starting the audio track is removed; instead a pending flag is set for later use. There's a NOP gap left because I did the hacking with a hex editor, not wanting to move more code than necessary... Wink

I created a new subroutine at $22/E8C0 (hopefully doesn't collide with existing hacks, can easily be relocated otherwise) that handles the busy flag and PLAY commands:

Code:
$22/E8C0 ISR async busy wait
============================
LDA $013F   ; did we just request a track?
BEQ end     ; if not, do nothing
BIT $2000   ; MSU1 busy?
BVS end     ; then check again next frame
STZ $013F   ; clear pending flag
LDA $0130  
JSR $E880   ; "calculate" loop flag
STA $2007   ; play
JSR $E970   ; handle MSU error (SPC fallback)
end:
RTS

This routine is supposed to get called alongside the MSU routine every NMI. It checks the busy flag every frame but doesn't loop until it is cleared. That way there is very little impact on CPU time. $E880 and $E970 are existing subroutines.

Finally the stub that calls the MSU subroutines in the NMI service routine needs to be modified to call the new code:
Code:
$22/E900 ISR extension stub
===========================
LDA $4210
JSR $E910
JSR $E8C0 ; NEW
LDA $012C
RTL

And that's it. These patches were made based on msu1_sd2snesfix_try10.ips so I hope not too much has moved around since then Wink Anyway it should be easy to adapt. Also I hope it doesn't break anything!


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Post by emuandco on Sun 26 Oct 2014 - 10:48

Nice work. Now lets see when Conn is back. Btw, TheRetromancer, I sent him the DKC2 MSU-1 tryout made by SeruKun aka LuigiBlood via PM.
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