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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Colines on Tue 1 May 2018 - 18:44

DatSwissGuy wrote:ASM is going to be a little bit tricky for starters, but i know at least some basics. Words like cycles, memory addresses, flags etc. are not unknown to me.
That's good! If you want suggestions for a good way to start, here it's a few tips I wrote: =)
https://www.zeldix.net/t852-any-tips-for-msu1-hacking#9721

I use a STAX SRM-252S amp + SR 207 electrostatic earspeakers (that's what STAX calls earphones)
it's a tedious process of listening the mastered tracks over and over again till you get insane
Hell yeah, don't remind me! I used to work in a marketing company at the video editing department, but I was always working together with Audio Engineers during the sound mastering and mix/editing phase, and holy mother of God, what a excruciating thing that was.

I do miss though, the equipment we had there, most of the devices were from Marshall, Musical Fidelity and the likes, I even used my workplace to help in here at Zeldix. Now being a mere mortal, normalizing tracks has proven to be difficult, particularly when songs come from different sources and taking into account my pseudo-OCD Razz

Can't express myself correctly, but reading this i did a little dance of joy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSJAkSXc8Q

If you wish i can have a look at all the other fixed volume packs and give some feedback.
If you're able to take the time to set up the MSU-1 patches and see how the tracks perform, that would be very appreciated ^.^

Where can i upload or who shall i contact for playtesting/checking/redistribution?
We usually host the PCM packs at our own personal Cloud accounts (Mediafire, Mega, Google Drive, Onedrive, etc), you're free to create another thread to share your contributions ;-)
I would also be more than happy to include your tracks in my list, if you so desire. Smile

For playtesting/checking, someone will probably step ahead to offer feedback and report any oversight. Very Happy
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by DatSwissGuy on Tue 1 May 2018 - 19:37

Thanks!

Here's the link to my modified PCM files for TMNT IV - Turtles in Time:
Code:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EdJS_ZPBBk_amnzgyyACJXtKiAiUk_uZ

Based on the original mixing of DarkShock, i adjusted the Volume.

Used tools / gear:

  • msu2wav
  • msupcm++
  • flac.exe (since msupcm++ didn't work with the .wav files, and i haven't figured out why. But to be honest i haven't looked at the msupcm++ code to find out ^^)
  • Audacity
  • STAX SR-207 Headphones with AMP (Reference Headphones)
  • Visual Studio Code

Tested with:

  • Higan v106 (if there are other recommendations, please tell me!)
  • SD2SNES Rev. H +0.0 dB amplification
  • PAL 1-CHIP SNES (tracks are "off-sync" due to the nature of the game not running natively at 60 Hz, but that's not an issue at all, since it's music and not sound effects.)
  • Super NT with FW 4.5 and cartridge audio set to +175

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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by DatSwissGuy on Tue 1 May 2018 - 19:44

Tested MSU-1 Hacks:

  • Chrono Trigger: Slightly too loud when used in conjunction with the Chrono Trigger Symphony Album. I already adjusted it with msupcm++ and a custom written / modified .json file.
  • Secret of Mana: Mostly sounds ok, some tracks feel a tad bit too loud when listened with foobar2000. I'd have to play through the game to get a better feeling. But there's a high probability i'm just imagining things here / being nitpicky
  • The Legend of Zelda ALTTP: I personally think it's spot on. Need to finish the Darkworld though...

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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Colines on Tue 1 May 2018 - 20:23

Okiedokie! Added your pack to the main post =D

DatSwissGuy wrote:msupcm++ didn't work with the .wav files, and i haven't figured out why
Hm... I can only suppose this has to do with the preserve loop point functionality, I'm probably wrong though.

Have no idea how it works (never used, I've written my own tool), maybe the WAV output file isn't a traditional one? In case the loop point is carried along the conversion, WAV doesn't natively support looping information, making necessary the use of an extended header, and most wav2msu tools only work with native headers AFAIK.

You may try this msu2wav converter:
http://www.dkc-atlas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=2087

This turns PCM files to WAV in the simplest way possible, if it works, then you probably will want to deactivate any other function except the conversion in qwertymodo's tool.

Secret of Mana: Mostly sounds ok, some tracks feel a tad bit too loud when listened with foobar2000.
There are a few of them, which music pack are you referring to?
https://www.zeldix.net/t798-secret-of-mana#8884
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by DatSwissGuy on Tue 1 May 2018 - 20:29

Secret of Mana: "Fixing all of the too-loud audio packs for good"

Code:
https://www.mediafire.com/?hvcv15tmns8j5bw

Editing reason: no direct links


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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Wed 2 May 2018 - 3:27

Okiedokie! Added your pack to the main post =D
Can you edit the main post in TMNT?
If a new pcm pack is released, please post it as comment in the database section, with a short description what is it (OST, arcade, whatever). I'll add it as alternative download then to the first post.
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by DatSwissGuy on Wed 2 May 2018 - 8:04

I posted it as a comment in the following topic:
https://www.zeldix.net/t1443-tmnt-iv-turtle-in-time#21216

The rest is up to you guys Smile

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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Wed 2 May 2018 - 11:31

ok, just need a verification by Colines that I can overwrite his "too silent" pack? Or keep both, like I now made it... or Colines, did you mean with "added your pack to first post" that you replaced your files with those new, and your cloud link leads to the updated files already, so we do not need a second link?
I'm confused, sorry
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Colines on Wed 2 May 2018 - 17:59

Conn wrote:... or Colines, did you mean with "added your pack to first post"
Yes, exactly that Razz

Please, remove my link entirely at the TMNT page, seems like DatSwissGuy's pack is pretty spot on and has succeed to mix perfectly the audio tracks =D
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Wed 2 May 2018 - 19:55

Thanks for the heads up, done:
https://www.zeldix.net/t1443-tmnt-iv-turtle-in-time#21216

Since DS patch was part of your cloud link too, I uploaded it to the bszelda server now so I could remove your link.
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by gyaragax on Mon 7 May 2018 - 20:46

New here, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I also posted in the relevant MSU-1 Hacks Database comments.

I put together a new pcm set for SFII Turbo, including heavy damage tracks. The set is mostly sourced from CPS-2 (Super/Super Turbo SFII), with a few exceptions. PittStone's previous CPS-2 set was volume blasted. I wanted to make a full set with all the heavy damage tracks and make few changes, so I did a new set from primarily lossless FLAC source and made it fully normalized, so it does not drown out the game's sound effects.

I did my testing on a Rev. F SD2SNES, with the volume boost on +12dB and emulated, running through SNES9x. The levels sound right to me on both.

In addition to the majority CPS-2 tracks an additional recomposed track 16 for the Capcom jingle. The default title track uses an OverClocked ReMix rock arrangement from vertexguy, though a CPS-2 option is included, alternatively. There are a few tracks for which there was not a CPS-2 version, so I used newly looped and normalized CPS-1 tracks for those. It's detailed in the included readme file.

Let me know if there's another place I should post this.
https://mega.nz/#!VeYW1TyK!ey1QUrzId6cREyS3YOpEXec5bC71oIi3kOyFwncobuA
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Colines on Mon 7 May 2018 - 23:05

Outstanding! =D

Your contribution is really appreciated, this thread deals specifically with encoding lossless/Red Book audio tracks for usage with MSU-1, so be my guest to share your work ;-)

Alternatively, you're more than welcome to create your own thread in case your goals are far beyond from what is offered here. =)

Meanwhile, the main post now includes your tracks, soon our moderators/admins gonna edit the SFII entry in the database to reflect your addition Smile

Don't forget to keep track of your tracks (lame pun)! Someone might point out an oversight at anytime!

Thank you and welcome to Zeldix!
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Tue 8 May 2018 - 2:33

Meanwhile, the main post now includes your tracks, soon our moderators/admins gonna edit the SFII entry in the database to reflect your addition
Already done Smile Since the set works also for the native SF2 turbo, I put it to both in the first post:
https://www.zeldix.net/t1456-street-fighter-2-turbo-msu-hack#21310
https://www.zeldix.net/t1605-street-fighter-2-turbo-msu-1-heady-damage-themes
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by emuandco on Mon 6 Aug 2018 - 22:09

Colines wrote:I though emuandco already had normalized the DKC2 tracks? Gonna take a look at them, long ago I was planning to normalize those tracks too, but somehow I truly ended believing emuandco had fixed them X|

Just before I forget to reply here. I normalized them according to the howto and before that, remade them from source. Now I wonder, how much too loud were my files?
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Tue 7 Aug 2018 - 5:40

That quote from Colines was from Feb/7. The new files for DKC2 are from Mar/5 and all fixed and done:
https://www.zeldix.net/t1445-donkey-kong-country-2

Colines already fixed the volume. If I remember correctly they also did not loop (no loop point inside the pcm) and thus repeated from the very start with a small break before repeating
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Post by emuandco on Tue 7 Aug 2018 - 9:54

Yeah, I know. I wanted to reply here weeks ago and always something else stole my time. Now I have holidays Razz Just to be safe here. I am not pissed or stuff like that, quite the opposite is the case. ppl find a problem and fix it, that's the sprit ^^ And yeah, I never found a way to make nice loops in a more efficient way than Audacity @ max zoom in manually cutting around... thus I... did not add any in there. I am just curious what was wrong in my normalizing settings. Like... preventing to make the same mistake again. Like... on my SoM conversion script which right now uses the same settings I used for DKC2 ^^
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Conn on Tue 7 Aug 2018 - 12:24

Ah I see. Guess you need to wait for Colines to reply what his new settings were Smile
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Re: MSU-1 Volume Fix, The Second Wave

Post by Colines on Tue 7 Aug 2018 - 21:38

emuandco wrote:I am just curious what was wrong in my normalizing settings.
You haven't done anything wrong at all, really. That's just a side effect from the last 70 years of the music industry which never stablished an standard volume level to follow Razz

-18db or -21db would never work exactly for all the tracks you selected, the vast majority are from several different sources, whose sound mixing of each one doesn't match any other.

Therefore, while -21db might work for a few songs, it won't be good enough for another selection.

It was necessary to listen each song individually to normalize them properly. They all use varied volume levels according to their source of reference, that was kinda of a pain to do Confused

But if your SoM pack is made of tracks from the same album/mixer, then a single value should probably do it for all. ;-)

There are a few exceptions, though. For instance, Blake Robinson seems to have made use of utter satanism techniques to compose his album:
https://www.zeldix.net/t1265p75-fixing-all-of-the-too-loud-audio-packs-for-good#19590
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