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Post by qwertymodo on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 1:56

After the previous discussion, I'm happy to announce that we now have a Patreon page!

https://www.patreon.com/zeldix

This is still a pretty new thing, so we're definitely open to feedback and suggestions for things like supporter perks.  This has been an amazingly supportive community, and I'm looking forward to keeping it going for years to come.
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Post by Polargames on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 2:30

Great News to Hear! :-D, I took a look at it and I would like to ask, what is Premium MSU-1 Hosting? Does that mean faster Dl s our will they better hosted? I am a little confused on that. Also for your suggestions for supporter perks, will there be another post for them to be on?
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Post by qwertymodo on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 3:16

Right now, all of the MSU-1 stuff is kind of hosted all over the place on various different free file hosting sites. I was trying to think of what money might be put toward if we happen to bring in more support than is needed for the site itself, and the one thing I thought of was to upgrade to a paid storage tier, whether that's on Google Drive, Mega.nz, or wherever, so everything could be hosted in one place and not have to take up quota space on people's individual accounts. I don't know whether or not it'll actually be any faster for the end users if we do go that route, I was just trying to put that out there in case we did get above the $20/month mark that would cover everything here on Forumotion. Covering the bills is a pretty low bar to meet, so if we do surpass it, I don't feel right about that extra just going straight into my pocket, that's not what this is about. If anybody else has other thoughts about where that could go instead, that falls squarely under the heading of "this is all new and we welcome feedback".

Realistically, $10-15/month keeps the lights on, $20ish lets us flip a few extra switches we haven't before (like increased forum storage for post attachments). Anything beyond that would be above and beyond actual operating costs. I figured I'd put that third goal level up there, but don't feel like that's an amount that's coming out of anybody's pocket right now that needs to be covered.
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Post by Conn on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 11:55

I'm a bt concerned whether it is a good idea to host all msu projects at one place. Sure it is a good idea (safe, secure download and such), but if we go for that and donations will stop in 5 years or so, all is lost. Furthermore, having diverse sources is more secure, like we had it in the past that some sets were dmca:ed. We have some msu files in the grey zone (Jurassic Par, Indiana Jones, Star Wars...) - if such a host is closed because of these issues, everything is lost, too.

If a set at a drive of a particular user gets dmca:ed we find another host in no time. So I'd prefer keeping it diverse.

My horror thoughts is if zeldalegends one day shuts down. Not only all my bszelda stuff would need a new host, but we also have the matter I described: nearly all my patches are hosted there. However I have a backup to provide all stuff if we must go down this road one day.
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Post by qwertymodo on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 12:02

Having one central place doesn't mean we have to shut down other mirrors, it would just mean adding one more that could be centralized so that users didn't have to fend for themselves when it comes to that. I agree with your fears about losing access or takedowns. It was just an idea, direct site costs come first.
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Post by Conn on Thu 18 Apr 2019 - 12:13

I see, I'm curious what to come Very Happy
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Post by qwertymodo on Mon 22 Apr 2019 - 19:13

I just want to say thank you to the people who have already signed up as patrons. If you want to have a patreon rank displayed here or on Discord, please shoot me a PM with your Patreon username and the username here or on Discord so I know who you are.
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Post by anotherplatypus on Wed 1 May 2019 - 1:21

I feel we're like the proverbial mule with a spinning wheel, and imho there's no need to be hasty on spending support funds before the community has focused on some goals. Just let it build up until there's some agreement and excitement.

The Patreon rewards should probably fall into two categories: individual perks, and community goals. I bet they're correlated, whereas one side improves--the other increases--so in a way the individual and community rewards evolve together. No need to pretend we can offer more than a patreon rank atm, but by glancing at the rising passion in the Z3 speed running community we can assure everyone that a sparking interest for more romhacks is already here. The streamers are just waiting for them.

I like the idea of establishing a good storage foundation for MSU-1, it's a solid contribution of the Snes community from Zeldix, and this should honestly be its home... After, of course, resolving the legal issues Conn raised. (Ha, maybe one day the Patreon funds could be used to retain a lawyer to answer such questions.)

Perhaps this decisions could be multi-focused. Globally the storage site could host the backbone of the MSU-1 resources for the Snes community, as well as internet guest level access to all of the starter kits, and public advice, for the alttp newbies and casual romhack developers. However the storage hosting could also be portioned out towards the community and its members to share WIP projects, and assets and discussions, generated during those teamwork collaborations.

I for one would love to learn by observing and helping with ongoing projects, and maybe I'm a bleeding heart, but bet everyone would be willing to share their content with the rest of the community that is creating, supporting, and pioneering to make designing alttp romhacks better.

Zeldix already filters access to non-member internet guests, maybe we could get past this thing where developers go into isolation, becoming stranded with their babies, to create a zone to help individual projects along combined with collaboration towards group projects for the streamers. They would flip out, trampling over each other to be first and fastest if we periodically released scaled-down games with new puzzles and content between major hacks.

My two cents is if you're providing graphics, audio, asm code, level designs, project management, IT maintenance, knowledge literature, software development, sage advice, financial support, play testing, and everything else I'm forgetting, you're a contributor. Perhaps we could promote individuals with perks for their efforts all-the-while their membership becomes more valuable as everyone contributes...

(Oh and when we get there one day, I want to be on the Patreon tier that earns a free T-shirt.)
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Post by qwertymodo on Wed 1 May 2019 - 1:45

Right now, the money that has come in has been put toward recouping what I paid out of pocket for the basic hosting costs last month (paid for a full year ahead of time). The other ideas are just that, ideas, and are fully up for discussion if people think there are better ways that money could be spent. The storage idea was mostly only aimed at MSU-1 because of the sheer size of the content, but sure, there's no reason that couldn't be extended to other things as well. In fact, one of the other ideas was upgrading the storage tier on the board itself, which would allow things like attachments directly on posts, which could be used for directly hosting smaller things like patches and small tools here.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about filtering access to non-member guests. There aren't any threads that are hidden from guests aside from the admin board and a couple of sections devoted to private beta testing of specific hacks, but in both of those cases the filter has nothing to do with guests vs members, they are just for people directly involved in those projects to have a place to work on things that aren't ready for public release. Everything else is fully accessible to public guests.

Also... be careful what you wish for, the T-Shirts are definitely going to be one of those "...and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" memes. Wink
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