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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:11

@Conn I already reconciled that track in my initial Google Docs track map (it is the Collect, Deliver, and Seal theme for track 5). Some of the tracks turn up between missions you select at different times. I remember hearing track 5 in one of the Stage 3 missions, if my memory serves correct.

Update: I forgot to mention that i timed the Get Ready Theme to play approximately 11 seconds. Any more, it will be cut off.


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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:21

@Conn The track map was rechecked and it is good (accidentally swapped tracks 7 and 8, now corrected). I believe all the tracks have been accounted for and we are good to go.


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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:22

Ah... now there's shading light into this. Track b is inside the game (please test with that technique), but I couldn't find it among the 12 themes of that ost youtube.
Is it possible to map the 12 13 themes correctly using that technique, it seems like SV did something wrong (e.g., he mapped  Collect, Deliver, and Seal to 0b instead 05).


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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:26

@Conn Yeah, I'm still looking for this mysterious $0B track too. I wonder if its an alternate ending? Will find out, unless it is not used by the game. Time to watch some long plays, lol.

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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:29

@Conn See this LINK. Zophar's Domain lists it as an Unused Song. Apparently, there is an unused jingle as well. I guess we are done then.


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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:42

Awesome that you found that Very Happy

Then we are done. Small request, could you correct SV:s list to have the correct loop infos and themes?

00: Intro, non loop
01: Title, non loop
02: Rescue Mission, LOOP
03: Station Repairs, LOOP
04: Destroy the Eggs, LOOP
05: menu, silent, non loop
06: Corridors of Fury 161, LOOP
07: Credits, non loop
08: Final Crisis, LOOP
09: Game Over, non-loop
0A: The Mother Alien, LOOP
0B: Collect, Deliver, and Seal, LOOP
0C: Get Ready, non loop
Like 0b is wrong as we now know and 05 is used for silence and collecct, deliver, seal - if he makes an own set it is mandatory for him that this is correct.

Loop table values in the latest patch:
http://bszelda.zeldalegends.net/stuff/Con/alien3_msu1.zip

db $01,$01,$03,$03,$03,$03,$03,$03,$03,$01,$03,$03,$01,$03,$03,$03 ;
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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:47

@Conn Ok, once he releases his set I will give it a look see and make any adjustments as needed.

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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 9:55

Señor Ventura I left you a Private Message regarding the track map list. Conn and I found some other inconsistencies that require both of us to update our PCMs.

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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 10:16

Don't mind, I did it myself now with that method:

00: Title, non loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIrGon-CV4

01: Intro, non loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybjIZqUWyGM

02: Corridors of Fury 161, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNUfxTJVhuQ

03: Station Repairs, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIm1CEtkVKA

04: Rescue Mission, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifg1jgScQZc

05: Collect, Deliver, and Seal, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqcIcHvJakg

06: Destroy the Eggs, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WGMQ0boLs

07: The Mother Alien, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUltMipcy4s

08: Final Crisis, LOOP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wJPAmQszAU

09: Game Over, non-loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diprhb8g1wA

0A: Credits, Loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5x6i-KEg2c

0B: NOT USED

0C: Get Ready, non loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39t5WVLMUpc

Senor Ventura, please use this corrects map to name your pcm:s correctly!!!
Eg.
get ready is alien3_msu1-12.pcm
collect deliver seal is alien3_msu1-5.pcm
and so on.

Use the latest patch on a fresh rom (should be finished):
http://bszelda.zeldalegends.net/stuff/Con/alien3_msu1.zip

btw: unused jingle at zophar domain is 0d Pev, just in case you wonder how to access.

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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 11:18

@Conn Cool, guess this is officially closes this part of the process. Now for the PCMs. Thanks for the update. I also added your YouTube reference links to my Google Docs track map as well, nice job.

Alien 3 Google Docs Track Map


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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 12:35

Your doc references Jurassic park... can you check? Smile
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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 13:06

@Conn The link pops up as Alien 3. Maybe clear web browser cache?

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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 14:22

Now it works, could be probably due to my mobile I accessed it previously. Whatever Smile

Thanks!
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Post by pepillopev on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 15:46

@Conn Here is my PCM set based of the movie OST.

https://app.box.com/s/8ny69mkj51d7ku4vei75rfrwvhwpzm8l

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Post by Conn on Tue 13 Nov 2018 - 16:11

Awesome, even with dubbed intro Smile
Feel free to release the project if you want to create a video Razz
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Post by Señor Ventura on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 15:14

Sorry for the delay.

Before reading carefully all that has been writed lately, i have to post the fixed info and pcm pack:

-00--01--02--03-04--05--06--07--08-09--0A--0B--0C
$01,$01,$03,$03,$03,$03,$03,$01,$03,$01,$03,$01,$01

00: Intro, non loop
01: Title, non loop
02: Rescue Mission, LOOP
03: Station Repairs, LOOP
04: Destroy the Eggs, LOOP
05: Collect, Deliver, and Seal, LOOP
06: Corridors of Fury 161, LOOP
07: Credits, non loop
08: Final Crisis, LOOP
09: Game Over, non-loop
0A: The Mother Alien, LOOP
0B: menu, silent, non loop
0C: Get Ready, non loop

Link to PCM's:
mediafire.com file/f9u9q2dk236t5ia/Alien_3_OST_MSU1.rar/file


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Post by Conn on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 16:08

Great!
There's one small problem left, can you rename:
al3_msu1-x.pcm
into
alien3_msu1-x.pcm
Otherwise the pcm:s are not compatible with the patch.

Also another problem, your level music is way too loud, the sfx are barely noticeable...
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Post by Señor Ventura on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 17:36

Conn wrote:Great!
There's one small problem left, can you rename:
al3_msu1-x.pcm
into
alien3_msu1-x.pcm
Otherwise the pcm:s are not compatible with the patch.

Also another problem, your level music is way too loud, the sfx are barely noticeable...

Ok, no problem, i still have the source presets for every track.

I will try reducing 9db... or maybe less?.

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Post by Señor Ventura on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 21:37

Ok, all is fixed, here is the link with all the songs and its volume levels corrected:
mediafire.com file/f9u9q2dk236t5ia/Alien_3_OST_MSU1.rar/file


I noticed that in the .doc is mentioned an 13 track, so i added an empty track as track nº13.

And two things about the patch. The first one is that the sound entrie of the stage 1 plays too soon... in the game it begins to sound when the text "stage 1 get ready" disappears, and not before, but in the patch the "get ready" music is interrupted, and begins to sound the stage music too early.

And the second one is that the game begins playing "rescue mission" when it should begins with "corridors of fury 161".

I will try to annotate what songs sound now, and what songs it sholud to play.

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Post by pepillopev on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 22:07

@Señor Ventura Just a question, is it possible that the tracks are swapped around with different localizations of the game? The tracks played using Conn’s test method matches with Zophars Domain list including YouTube long play videos. Your posted list does not match the verified track map.

As for the music starting to early, if it cannot be fixed by the patch, all we can do is delay the music. Remember with MSU PCMs we can loop back to where the music starts seamlessly.

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Post by Señor Ventura on Wed 14 Nov 2018 - 22:48

pepillopev wrote:@Señor Ventura Just a question, is it possible that the tracks are swapped around with different localizations of the game? The tracks played using Conn’s test method matches with Zophars Domain list including YouTube long play videos. Your posted list does not match the verified track map.

Yes, surely that should be the problem. I just needed a reference, and here is, so i leave here a link to fix the problem tomorrow (well, technically today is tomorrow xD).

https://www.zophar.net/music/nintendo-snes-spc/alien-3

(I will only change the position of the stage tracks, the rest seems to be well placed).

pepillopev wrote:As for the music starting to early, if it cannot be fixed by the patch, all we can do is delay the music. Remember with MSU PCMs we can loop back to where the music starts seamlessly.

I hope we get some luck this time, it could save a lot of time and working.

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Post by Conn on Thu 15 Nov 2018 - 1:41

Yes, surely that should be the problem. I just needed a reference, and here is, so i leave here a link to fix the problem tomorrow (well, technically today is tomorrow xD).
Here's Pev's list how the pcm must be ordered (I didn't check for that when testing your set:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ay_naWAdaZYuUj8I0qSWgzaZ7QoM2GEZB7wGZQGpctI/edit?usp=sharing

Yes, the stage intro... it intro fades out but the stage track is introduced before. From the coding side little to nothing I can do without much effort, so better tinker around with some mute at the start of the track like Pev suggested.

I also advise to test your set with the patched rom to verify all is working as it should Wink
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Post by Señor Ventura on Thu 15 Nov 2018 - 7:12

Ok... about 2 seconds of silence then? (more or less).

The only problem is that during the "get ready" screen, the music will sound only very little time, and after that would be total silence during 2 or three seconds (or more) until the game strats.

I will try to keep only the half of the song in the "get ready theme", and, instead of adding silence in the music of the stages, i would add the other half of the "get ready" music" inside the music stages, in the beginning.

I hope it works.

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Post by pepillopev on Thu 15 Nov 2018 - 8:15

@Señor Ventura Add the silence then “bucle” back to the point where the music restarts by hard coding the starting “bucle” point into the PCM using wav2msu like I suggested in the Ninja Gaiden topic. If your having trouble I can fix this track for you.

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Post by Conn on Thu 15 Nov 2018 - 9:24

How did you solve it in your alien3 set, Pev?
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