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Post by wizzrobemaster on Thu 26 Feb 2015 - 21:54

is there any way of increasing the attack power of the sword beam to do double damage? also the same damage output even with the upgrade swords, is that a limitation?

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Post by Euclid on Fri 27 Feb 2015 - 4:34

Unheadered 0x36D3B - 01 01 02 03 -> 01 02 03 04

This will make it match the normal sword attack.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Fri 27 Feb 2015 - 10:36

well the sword beam's attack power is equivalent to the fighter sword. can it be done to make its attack power rise per sword upgrade? also what about the gold sword spin attack doing double damage to most enemies?

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Post by wizzrobemaster on Fri 27 Feb 2015 - 19:30

so if I were make the spin attack stronger, then it would be a similar damage class to the silver arrows? I estimated that its attack power is 4 times greater than the golden sword, but if that was edited, then it would have the same restrictions the arrows would I presume? I noticed that it seems that the biggest issues with native Zelda come from it programming limitations.

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Post by Conn on Sat 28 Feb 2015 - 6:28

silver arrow damage class is
09 - damage level 5
so the same as spin attack

$0cf2 determines the damage class taken; silver arrow puts an stores 09 inside
Code:

$86/ED25 8D F2 0C    STA $0CF2  [$88:0CF2]   A:0009 ;09 in the accumulator

Comparison with spin attack, stores 05 here:
Code:

$86/ED6E 8D F2 0C    STA $0CF2  [$86:0CF2]   A:0005 ;05 in the accumulator
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Post by Conn on Sat 28 Feb 2015 - 8:04

I think every item is inside your list. I strongly assume class 08 is the normal bow, 07 - boomerang, 20 hookshot, 0f Magic powder and so on.

If you'd know more just make with geiger a breakpoint at 7e/0cf2, write and hit an enemy with any weapon, then you will see which class is caused by which weapon in A:.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sat 28 Feb 2015 - 9:35

in comparison to the master sword from the oracle series, that weapon I presume is stronger with a spin attack while equipped with the red ring? is there any means of expanding the damage classes or is it too limiting for the game?

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Post by Conn on Sat 28 Feb 2015 - 13:02

Little is limited when knowing asm, so I advise to learn that Wink
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sun 1 Mar 2015 - 23:06

how difficult is learning asm?

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Post by Conn on Mon 2 Mar 2015 - 7:50

I think this is strongly dependent on your IQ in Logical thinking/mathematics and thus relative. I do it for 12 years now and still cannot code hdma, apu asm, mode7 and other complex stuff... but I have a good overview what's Happening inside the cpu.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Mon 2 Mar 2015 - 9:20

any form of coding I usually find extremely confusing. zelda3 would be much easier to hack if it was 8-bit as intended. if that was the case, then it would probably have even more limitations as I know that 16-bit is exponentially 4 times greater than 8-bit.

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Post by assassin17 on Sat 14 Mar 2015 - 3:41

Puzzledude: there are only 16 attack classes, seen in Section 5 of my Tony-award-winning guide:
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when you hack a class above 0Fh, you're getting nonsense in two ways during the process:
1) you're reading the next enemy's data in the 7F/6000 RAM structure.
2) you're reading whatever the hell is after the 06BAF1 ROM structure.  i dunno what's there offhand, but it's probably unrelated to damages.

(the format of these structures is explained in Section 8 of the guide.)
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sat 14 Mar 2015 - 15:16

one thing I have discovered with damage classes is that contrary to the belief that the silver arrows instantly kill ay enemy vulnerable to the arrows, it deals heavy damage in which most strong enemies will take 2-3 hits with the golden sword. when hacking/glitching the game to get the silver arrows before misery mire, it took 2 hits to kill vitreous during the second phase. from my discovery, I suspect its attack power is 4 times greater than the gold sword.

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Post by Conn on Sat 14 Mar 2015 - 18:14

well Gold sword spin is attack class 05, silver arrows 09. But you are right, the attack Level isn't exact the same. I traced the hp damage on the bomb throwing cyclops
$86/EF6A 9D 50 0E    STA $0E50,x

Code:

L3 normal: 08
L3spin: 10
L4 normal: 10
L4spin: 40

arrow: 04
Silver arrow: 64
So the silver arrow takes $24 more damage than the L4 spin. However, Keep in mind that the HP damage might be different for each Monster type. But in that range (I mean 10->40 for normal/spin attack) it is an instant kill for every normal Monster equally whether you use L4spin or silver arrow. The cyclops, which are to my knowing the strongest normal Monsters, have "only" 14 hp.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sat 2 Jan 2016 - 23:32

I thought hinox has 12 hp. also when I mentioned the sword beam, I meant the ranged attack from the master sword. what is its address?

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Post by assassin17 on Sat 2 Jan 2016 - 23:53

you're both wrong; Hinox has 20 HP. Razz

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Conn must've spent too much time looking at hex numbers.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sat 2 Jan 2016 - 23:59

I thought the gold sword was twice as strong as the tempered sword?

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Post by assassin17 on Sun 3 Jan 2016 - 0:20

it is the majority of time (when comparing normal strikes or Pegasus charges, anyway).  but it can vary by monster.  notable exceptions are Enemy #67, 69, 72, 73, 74, and 136 (except on GBA for that last one).  meaningless exceptions are Enemy #25, 27, 131, and 161.
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sun 3 Jan 2016 - 1:23

armos knight if I recall correctly is resistant to sword damage but weak against arrows. Zelda 3's damage system from what I have learned is very complicated and inconsistent. strangely, it is the only title where I have seen this complicated formula.

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Post by SunGodPortal on Sun 3 Jan 2016 - 1:40

heh Yeah Armos Knights take forever to kill with a sword. Takes a good number of spin-slashes. I think the damage system is fine. What was it again that you didn't like about it, wiz?
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Post by wizzrobemaster on Sun 3 Jan 2016 - 2:32

that is was inconsistent. in every other title, dealing damage and receiving damage was always the same when having armor upgrades. the blue ring halves damage and the red ring takes quarter damage. in Zelda 3, depending on the enemies, sometimes the red mail will halve damage instead of a quarter or reduce damage by 66.7%. the most it can reduce is one quarter. also traps always deal one point of damage and winders are the worst because they move randomly and are sometimes impossible to dodge. Zelda 3's traps tend to be very cheap at times.

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Post by SunGodPortal on Sun 3 Jan 2016 - 2:59

the blue ring halves damage and the red ring takes quarter damage.

But to me that sounds too uniform. The only way it should be like that is if all of the enemies have the same attacks. It also makes sense to me why some things don't change simply because of the armor you wear as sometimes it just doesn't matter. Some attacks are going to hurt you whether your shirt is green, blue, red or if you are shirtless.
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