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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 16:54

StaceyBee wrote:What about that warp tile? Does it have function or is it just a tile? I'm sure that cheating a way to reverse portals is impossible without editing the game, but that aint stopping me from trying Very Happy
No, it is also fake (ie no warp leads to it).
This can be determined quite easy. I ran the PW Rom through so called RT (room transfer) dos based program by XaserLe, which brings all data to the end of the Rom. Then I scrolled to Header data (ie all transit is in there as well), made a search for bytes 94 00 = (room) 148 in dec. No result, until the Layer/object code. So no special transit (staircase, warp or other) ever leads to room 148. Tracing the object code, it is also possible to terminate that warp object if you don't like it in the room.

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 16:56

Puzzledude wrote:I've never seen that code, I use this instead:

Walk through walls
07C80100
07BDB600

but you can not jump up the ledge, you need to walk on the wall from the previous room to get up the ledge, otherwise Link will jump to bg2, which will render him invisible and unable to ever reach objects on bg1.

Only just seen this comment

The code I used was a bit more simple than that. I found it by using steps and ledge in the cave by the church where you find the lamp (I also used that chest to help with opening this chest, this cave is a cheaters best friend).

All I had to do was activate the 'level0' cheat and it puts me under the map, I then walk under the desired location and activate the 'level1' cheat and it puts me on top of what ever I am under. Great for the exploring under the interior maps because you can use it to go back up to the floor if you get stuck
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 16:58

Puzzledude wrote:
StaceyBee wrote:What about that warp tile? Does it have function or is it just a tile? I'm sure that cheating a way to reverse portals is impossible without editing the game, but that aint stopping me from trying Very Happy
No, it is also fake (ie no warp leads to it).
This can be determined quite easy. I ran the PW Rom through so called RT (room transfer) dos based program by XaserLe, which brings all data to the end of the Rom. Then I scrolled to Header data (ie all transit is in there as well), made a search for bytes 94 00 = (room) 148 in dec. No result, until the Layer/object code. So no special transit (staircase, warp or other) ever leads to room 148. Tracing the object code, it is also possible to terminate that warp object if you don't like it in the room.

So basically this whole room is only to fuck your head up. Nice! I like that! lol I wonder how many man hours have been spent trying to find a legit way to that chest Blue1
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:01

All I had to do was activate the 'level0' cheat and it puts me under the map, I then walk under the desired location and activate the 'level1' cheat and it puts me on top of what ever I am under. Great for the exploring under the interior maps because you can use it to go back up to the floor if you get stuck.
I never used those cheats, but they are beneficial. What you consider level 1 and 2 are actually bg layers and Alttp is capable of putting the main sprite to 2 bg(s) indoors. So what this cheat does, is that it manipulates the Ram, which tracks whether the person is on bg1 or bg2.

So basically this whole room is only to f*** your head up.
Pretty much so. Or somekind of leftover of an idea, which was never realized. Its all psychology: look, there is a chest. But I can not get it. But when you get it - nothing inside. I then used the same idea in GoW hack, however I made the chest accesible with the message "permanently locked chest", which still bothers the minds of a lot of players today.

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:14

Puzzledude wrote:
Pretty much so. Or somekind of leftover of an idea, which was never realized. Its all psychology: look, there is a chest. But I can not get it. But when you get it - nothing inside. I then used the same idea in GoW hack, however I made the chest accesible with the message "permanently locked chest", which still bothers the minds of a lot of players today.

Yeah I learned about that back in the days of the old exploration glitch in LTTP. The names of the cheats were just so I remember, "level0" confuses the game and "level1" is actually level2. It will always put you above whatever you are under, so Unless you need to pop up under a bridge without appearing on top, there is no use for level1 because level 2 does the same thing.

Shit even I'm confused by what I just said Confused


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Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:15

lol i quoted the wrong thing. I was meant to quote the bit where u was talking about bg1 and 2 lol
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:17

send me the Wink to your romhack, I want to try it (the Link)
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:37

there is no use for level1 because level 2 does the same thing
Yet you need both to be able to make bridges possible. Alttp was revolutionary in that regard for its time with those 2 layers.


send me your romhack, I want to try it (the Link)
Have you are ever been to romhacking communities. No one can link you to a Rom (doing so will result in warnings or possible ban). No one can give you the Rom of any kind, either original or hacked (otherwise the site can be closed down). You need to learn the patching process and download the original Alttp your self and do the patching (which will change your original rom into a hacked rom).


Patches are, however, free to download. So if you want to play hacks, just download patches, then (correctly!) patch the game, and then play.

Goddess of Wisdom hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/662/

Parallel Remodel hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/956/

Puzzledude's quest hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/703/

IQ hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2575/

Bruce Campbel hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/607/

Master Quest hack (patch download)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/601/

HP hack (only to encrease health on all hacks)
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1529/


or on Zeldix

Complete hacks (patch download)
https://www.zeldix.net/f15-complete-hacks

Improvement hacks (patch download)
https://www.zeldix.net/f37-improvement-hacks

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by qwertymodo on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 17:57

AFAIK (but somebody can correct me if I'm wrong), destination warp tiles are purely aesthetic, no functionality.  Warp tiles just send you to another room, at your current coordinates. So, nothing to reverse-engineer other than to brute-force look for other rooms with warp tiles and see if any of them are located at the same coordinates (which, as was previously mentioned, there aren't).
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:00

qwertymodo wrote:AFAIK (but somebody can correct me if I'm wrong), destination warp tiles are purely aesthetic, no functionality.  Warp tiles just send you to another room, at your current coordinates.
Yes, you are correct. The destination warp tile is just a trivial object. Only if the hack author is "polite" to his audience, will he put such a tile as a warp destination for every existing warp (pretty much acurate for the original Alttp). This can also simply act as a reminder to hack authors that where warps lead to. For instance in the IQ hack I used such objects to calculate where you land after jumping over a new-jump element (for instance). I later removed some, but some still remained.

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:06

Oops sorry that is what I meant. I'm new to romhaacking but old at game modding so I know how the whole copyright thing works. But its cool, I still have all of the tools left over from where I patched PW. I'll patch your GoW now Smile
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:12

StaceyBee wrote:Oops sorry that is what I meant. I'm new to romhaacking but old at game modding so I know how the whole copyright thing works. But its cool, I still have all of the tools left over from where I patched PW. I'll patch your GoW now Smile
Yes, don't forget, the GoW IPS needs the EU rom with no-header, which is not so easy to get. Only Rom I had back then. (While the PW needs the US with header, that's what Euclid had when he made the patch). Parallel Remodel needs US no-header (rolemodel). So be sure to check the CRC-32 info before patching.

Unless you are using my elite pack
http://www.bwass.org/bucket/Puzzledudes_Elite_Zelda3_Hack_Pack.zip

which has 4 major Alttp hacks (patches) all compatible with US non-headered rom, and is using the advanced autopatching which also needs a specific rom name. Then you just double click the autopatches and it patches automatically. IPS patching needs Lunar IPS though.


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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by  on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:16

Euclid added that chest only for decoration purposes!



^^Kinda like this exterior house which I added there just to make the players try to guess how the hell they could reach it!

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:17

Euclid added that chest only for decoration purposes! Kinda like this exterior house which I added there just to make the players try to guess how the hell they could reach it!
Makes sense.

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:27

So let me get this straight.. If I download your hackpack I can patch it to the back up LTTP-US rom that I used for parallel worlds? Or is the GoW in that pack EU only as well?
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by StaceyBee on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:31

Lord SePH wrote:Euclid added that chest only for decoration purposes!



^^Kinda like this exterior house which I added there just to make the players try to guess how the hell they could reach it!

 Wink

I would do the same if I was creating levels

So what happens if you go in the door? I'm guessing it'll lead you to the Chris Houlihan room right? If you left it unlinked to a interior location?

Ps: Excuse my vocab, I'm new to all of this rom hacking lingo you crazy kids are using now days Very Happy
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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by Puzzledude on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 18:50

So let me get this straight.. If I download your hackpack I can patch it to the back up LTTP-US rom that I used for parallel worlds? Or is the GoW in that pack EU only as well?
1.) Hackpack has 4 Xdelta patches all compatible with US non-headered rom (which is usually what you get when downloading Alttp).
2.) GoW IPS patch (not in the pack) is compatible with EU non-headered rom.
3.) Parallel Worlds IPS (not in the pack) is compatible with US headered rom.

This basically means nothing is compatible with what you used for Parallel Worlds, since it uses a non-conventional headered rom.

We later agreed that the default should be US non headered, so all future hacks should be compatible to it, however IPS for PW and GoW are old, so is PD's quest.
The hackpack also has a lovable ReamMe, which will explain in detail what you need and what to do to patch correctly.

I suggest you take what you had for PW, copy paste it and remove the header. Now you have US, with and without header. Get the EU rom (usually with no header). Add header with hex or Tush utility. Now you have all 4 roms (US header, US no header, EU no header, EU header). Now you can patch all Alttp hacks.


So what happens if you go in the door? I'm guessing it'll lead you to the Chris Houlihan room right? If you left it unlinked to a interior location?
If you go in the door with no entrance-definition, you will be stopped. So the tile will function as a solid tile (same as a wall).

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by  on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 20:00

you crazy kids
Hahaha.

Most old timers around here are around 30 years old.

As Puzz pointed out there are no entrance set for that house, so it just does nothing.

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Re: Parallel Worlds Mystery Chest

Post by qwertymodo on Wed 24 Aug 2016 - 21:07

That door and this one both go to the Chris Houlihan room, which is what I was talking about above.  I went ahead and fixed that entrance so you spawn as if walking through the door instead of the LoZ3 default that spawns you in the middle of the room as if you fell through a hole, but otherwise left it.

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