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Post by gameseeker86 on Wed 22 Jul 2020 - 17:10

Hi,

It's unclear to me where to find the unique .ips or .bps patches and .msu files for MSU-1 enhancements to the following games:

Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Goddess of Wisdom (MSU-1)
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Parallel Worlds (MSU-1)
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Parallel Worlds Remodel (MSU-1)

Take the first one, for example. I found this discussion on steps, but no link to the addendum patch by jammer506.
https://www.zeldix.net/t1294-zelda3-goddess-of-wisdom-msu1

For Parallel Worlds, I see the PCM packs at this destination, but again, where is the link for patching Parallel Worlds for MSU-1 enhancement? Parallel Worlds Remodel too?
https://www.zeldix.net/t791-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past

Thanks.
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Post by Relikk on Wed 22 Jul 2020 - 17:25

There is a separate Zelda hacking section that has them: https://www.zeldix.net/f15-finished (sub-section of https://www.zeldix.net/c1-zelda-iii-hacking )

The Parallel Worlds PCM pack you linked is for the A Link to the Past.
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Post by Conn on Wed 22 Jul 2020 - 17:28

The patch in the subfolder of the msu patch "short ntsc_pal" is compatible with any hack/ version
http://bszelda.zeldalegends.net/stuff/Con/zelda3_msu.zip
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Post by gameseeker86 on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 9:13

Hi Conn, Relikk,

Just so I am clear. To apply MSU enhancement to Parallel Worlds & Parallel Worlds Remodel, the only option is the short version patch, correct? Video isn't possible with both of these? I was confused when I saw the Parallel Worlds PCM pack (including video) because it seemed that I could apply it to Parallel Worlds and Remodel, but from what Relikk says: no I cannot. It is strictly for the base game, A Link to the Past.

I am more confident that Goddess of Wisdom cannot have the standard patch because it is based on the PAL version of A Link to the Past. So I did apply the short version to that.

Also, if I use the .msu from a PCM set that contains video with a game that is patched with a short version, will the video simply not play? Said another way, is there supposed to be a .msu file specifically for the short version?

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Post by Conn on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 10:09

Yes, the short patch has no video. PW pcm set was made specifically to play with parallel worlds but is of course also possible with normal alttp. Therefore it contains a video.

The msu file is simply an identifier to tell the system, I'm playing with msu1. Therefore it usually is 0 bytes. If it contains video data it's size is larger of course. So yes, the video isn't shown if you use it on the short patch but the identifier function is given
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Post by gameseeker86 on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 10:13

Conn,

So you are saying that I CAN use the standard patch with video on PW and Remodel. Awesome!

Or actually, the no expansion patch since the PW hack is 2.0 MB?

Unfortunately it canNOT with Goddess of Wisdom though, right? I have to use short patch because it is PAL?

Thanks.

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Post by Conn on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 11:39

No you can't. Probably at least. I was saying that the PW pcm set can be used for the normal ALTTP.
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Post by Relikk on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 12:10

gameseeker86 wrote:but from what Relikk says: no I cannot.

My misinterpretation of what you were asking. You can, of course.

/swiftly leaves the Zelda section, never to return
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Post by gameseeker86 on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 12:18

Conn,

Sorry, the questions keep coming. Thanks for being patient with me.

When I downloaded the MSU-1 patch from romhacking.net, the .ips patch seems to be different. It produces a alttp_msu.sfc with a size of 1.12 MB. I'm presuming this is an old version. The resultant headerless ROM CRC32 is   80134266

The patch on Zeldix produces the alttp_msu.sfc with a size of 1.50 MB. I'm presuming this is the correct patch. The resultant headerless ROM CRC32 is D8872071.

The readme is confusing, because it implies to "lunar expand" a headerless vanilla rom first. I'm presuming that is old text. But then the No Expansion notes says that standard patch already expands the rom to 1.5 MB. The readme file makes no mention of the No Expansion patch. It seems the readme may need an update.

Is the MSU patch on romhacking.net outdated?
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2483/

So to sum up, my understandings are as follows:

Vanilla ALTTP to MSU-1
- Use standard MSU patch from Zeldix on headerless 1.0 MB ALTTP rom. Result should be 1.5 MB. Video is provided in MSU.
https://www.zeldix.net/t791-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past

Parallel Worlds or Parallel Worlds Remodel
- Apply patches from romhacking.net to produce the unheadered hack, Parallel Worlds (or Remodel). PW is 2.0 MB, PW Remodel is 1.5 MB.
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/197/
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/956/
- CHECK THIS: Apply the NO EXPANSION MSU patches because these are already 1.5 MB or greater. Video is provided in MSU.

Goddess of Wisdom
- Apply patch from romhacking.net to to European version to produce the unheadered hack, Goddess of Wisdom
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3449/
- Apply the Short Patch MSU patch, due to the base being PAL. Video will not work.

It's not the PCMs I'm concerned about. Those are just audio files. I could use whatever I want so long as nomenclature is correct. What I'm mainly getting at is where can I use video, and where can't I? And am I applying the patches correctly.

Thanks.
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Post by Conn on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 13:07

Ah thanks. I put the automatically expansion ips yesterday in the patch file, so it gets more user-friendly.
I corrected the readme if you re-download.

Yes, if the rom is already expanded you should use the non-expansion ips but no guarantee it will work.

What I'm mainly getting at is where can I use video, and where can't I? And am I applying the patches correctly.
You can always use the short ips (or should be able to use it), it has no Video.
You can use the normal version with video on native USA rom (1MB).
You can try to use the noExpansion hack with video IF your rom is USA and the size is larger than 1.5 MB (the previously applied hack like PW expanded it)... thereafter it is sheer luck whether it is compatible with the hack you use.
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Post by gameseeker86 on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 13:24

Thanks Conn,

I'll test out Parallel Worlds & Remodel with the No Expansion patch, and see if video will play with qwertymodo's PCM pack and .msu file.

If it doesn't work, I'll use the Short .ips as a fallback plan.

Thanks again.
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Post by Orochimaru on Fri 24 Jul 2020 - 16:46

This game caused so much confusion as which rom to patch to etc...

I have updated the game in the hacks database with a version 3.1 that I had that needs a NTSC rom.

https://www.zeldix.net/t438-the-legend-of-zelda-goddess-of-wisdom

This version should work with the NTSC msu-1 audio patch, along the video, unless I'm mistaken.

When I'm done with the hacks database, I'll add all the different versions of all the hacks that were released, downloadable at the users wishes.

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Post by Puzzledude on Sat 25 Jul 2020 - 21:00

gameseeker86 wrote:Hi,

It's unclear to me where to find the unique .ips or .bps patches and .msu files for MSU-1 enhancements to the following games:

Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Goddess of Wisdom (MSU-1)
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Parallel Worlds (MSU-1)
Legend of Zelda, The: A Link to the Past - Parallel Worlds Remodel (MSU-1)

Take the first one, for example. I found this discussion on steps, but no link to the addendum patch by jammer506.
https://www.zeldix.net/t1294-zelda3-goddess-of-wisdom-msu1

For Parallel Worlds, I see the PCM packs at this destination, but again, where is the link for patching Parallel Worlds for MSU-1 enhancement? Parallel Worlds Remodel too?
https://www.zeldix.net/t791-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past

Thanks.
gameseeker86
There you go (also send this and some other hack as UPS patches to SePH for the database):
http://www.bwass.org/bucket/Zelda3_MSU_Pack_UPS.zip

This includes latest versions for GoW, GoW addendum, PR, and PW all with MSU enhancement. You patch all UPS patches to the original US non headered version of ALTTP using the included UPS-patcher tool (same as IPS, but will inform you if you are using the wrong original rom, ie with header or other versions).

PCM files for GoW and GoW addendum and PR (Parallel Remodel) are compatible with standard ALTTP MSU. So whatever MSU pack (standard, ALBW version, metalic, demastered, custom etc) work there is also used here. Parallel Worlds however has a specific MSU made just for it, since it is slightly different. Shoortcuts to these PCM files are in the MSU-ALTTP database section.

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