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Post by Erockbrox on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 15:28

So you are telling me that the whole pushable block not in the right location thing.... was a savestate issue all this time???

This means that when I was editing zelda 3 all these years I was always making edits with HM and then immediately using save state loads to check the area for changes.

Never once did I actually step out of the dungeon to reload the actual data? Seriously??

I guess because the other data was loading in correct I assumed that all the data loaded this way. So basically all this time I was thinking that moving blocks around in the game required some special hacker voodoo when really the situation was much simpler than I ever imagined.

Anyways, on a side note, I keep on getting a graphics glitch. This isn't the first time I've experienced this glitch actually.

I played up until parallel tower in 1st save slot, then quit and started a new game slot, game slot 2. When you first see the uncle in game slot 2 he looks glitched.

I believe this is due to the uncle having both sword and shield, but in the game these graphics are moved or not loaded or its the wrong tile set or something so they looked glitched.

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Post by Erockbrox on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 16:31

Here is my final design for the down evil sprite room.

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I do not understand why it seems as if nobody except for me actually takes these things into consideration.

These 4 simple, but strategically placed blocks fix everything.

While the slow down problem only happens if the player stays in this room for a while, it still is a problem. And you never know when someone might just come and hang out in this one room for while.

For example, sometimes when I play games I just want to listen to the music for a while and chill out. Now it is possible to do this in this room.

But I guess I can say that I didn't understand why puzz was so interested in making sure warp tiles were on their correct x,y positions either. Do warp tiles not work if they are incorrectly placed? Because back in the old conker version, they seemed worked just fine.

I think the main point here is that we each have are own talents regarding this game. So we should at least be aware of this and try and see where each and every one of us is coming from.
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Post by Conn on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 18:43

I played up until parallel tower in 1st save slot, then quit and started a new game slot, game slot 2. When you first see the uncle in game slot 2 he looks glitched.

Yeah, that is one of these bugs, alike Smash reported:

- One of the eye statues refused to open the secret passage after shooting a pebble in it 30 times or so. Had to reset the game to fix it. Don't remember the exact location, but I do remember it was blocking a dead-end containing a small key and the GPS.
- Sometimes paths in the desert just don't work, not sure why. Going back to the previous area wasn't enough to workaround the issue, but going all the way back to Peach's Castle appeared to do the trick.

They appear scarce and random, I cannot reproduce, and thus am not able to fix. In the end, they are not gamebreaking, maybe annoying. So, it's likely that they get never fixed, we must live with that Sad
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Post by Conn on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 19:41

This on the other hand is a much more complex/serious problem. It is a result of heavy GFX editing that Conker has gone through. If you now edit gfx even further, these gfx glitches can happen. Debug is possible through complex hex comparing with the original code, bringing back the old code from original ALTTP. But this will also affect a small portion of the gfx sets.

Or in other words, you need to revert to your gfx code from the backup file to fix this and not edit the gfx in such a way, that it will require more hex space. You might want to renounce on further gfx editing or accept this bug. This bug will also appear when Conker is using an item, specially Hookshot. If this is not the case, and Conn can not retrace it, the bug is a random problem.

I remember that I was doing hard to have the uncle without sword, the glitch was reported earlier I think, but also: as it is slot 2 only and hard to reproduce, I see no point fixing. In my view the game is still in its final stage.
What do you mean by using a hookshot? Is this bug also occurring when using the hookshot at the uncle?

Yes, when I added additional warp resets at superskuj and Seph computer, I also took care to place them correctly.
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Post by Erockbrox on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 20:30

I am wrapping up the Erock version pretty quickly. Only a handfull of remaining things are left.

Here was the mimic room in Parallel Tower.

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And Erock version

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I might be able to think of something more creative here, but I think this is just fine. The whole thing was that I just didn't like the mimic rooms in the parallel tower.
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Post by Erockbrox on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 20:34

And for the retro dungeon.

Seph interpretation of my puzzle just wasn't done that well. In fact did you know you can cheat this puzzle because the sprite and block are not aligned correctly horizontally?

Original version

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And now Erock Version

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The Erock version is the exactly same idea and design, but only works better. This is the superior version of the idea.
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Post by Erockbrox on Sun 19 Nov 2017 - 22:40

Now this next one is very interesting...

Somehow, Conn forgot that in the parallel dungeon that there is a big key to the dungeon or that you automatically had the big key when you entered the dungeon or something.

You can see this in this thread here.

https://www.zeldix.net/t1394p50-new-playthroughs-testing

So because of this thought, lots of changes where made to fix this, but just to be clear there was not a problem in the first place.

Conn wrote:The key in the old concept is only reachable by the red boomerang, but this room is freely accessible anytime. So you can defeat the boss with getting one key whereever, e.g., in this room right at the beginning:

The room is not freely accessible anytime. You need the big key to get the red boomerang and to enter this room.

Then there were decisions to modify a room, put in a pegswitch, add blocks to prevent deku seed and to add in pegs to block a door, which again was not necessary. None of this was necessary.

The major problem with this new design is that it just created problems when there were none. See the red rectangles where the player can't even pass or walk through.

While doing my most recent playthrough I tried to walk underwater to the stairs and ran into a problem when I was faced with a passage that I couldn't traverse through.

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Since there was nothing wrong with Seph's design for this room I restored this room back to Seph's original design.

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Post by Erockbrox on Mon 20 Nov 2017 - 1:21

I am now proud to announce that the Jill glitch where her graphics are off set is now fixed!

I repeat Jill graphics are now fixed!!!

That's one more thing to cross off the list, with only a few more things to go until Erock version is finished.

Which leads me to asking a few questions here.

When conker gets a belt, I always thought that this graphic was a glitched frying pan graphic.

I'm now coming to the conclusion that this belt graphic is actually supposed to be a real belt?

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Because in my opinion it doesn't look like a belt, and if it is a belt then its broken in the back and connected at the buckle?

Anyways I might get this "belt graphic" improved as well.

Also Conn, I do not know where your "coke fountain" graphics are in yychr. I want to see if I can get this improved upon.

Also also, this big cannon ball graphic, I have always thought that it looked out of place. It doesn't look at all like the smaller cannonball graphic, this will be redrawn too.

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Also how come on seph's overworlds the sprites don't show up?


I want to write in 1 monologue, but I don't know which number is free to use? Can someone tell me a safe monologue number to use.

Also with khold stare boss (parallel towers boss), the boss drops down things which are supposed to break up (like ice crystals) which hurt the player, but as you can see here, there is one graphic which is just a few pixels. When I play on my CRT TV I can't ever see these small pixels that are supposed to be graphics. So this will be given a proper graphic too.

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Post by Conn on Mon 20 Nov 2017 - 5:35

Also Conn, I do not know where your "coke fountain" graphics are in yychr. I want to see if I can get this improved upon.

Read this message again, more carefully:

Conn wrote:Ok, added froese-david here:
http://bszelda.zeldalegends.net/stuff/Con/High%20Rule%20Tail%20Readme.txt
(also in the zip file of course)
Code:
                                  EXTRA GRAPHICS
                                  --------------
             Charmander106       Kerberos  Bidbood    VGMaps.com
             Steven Donegani     Daisuke   Hyperben2  PhazonWebb16
             superkaminappa9001  Pollux    Ghillie    Bucketboy
             heSpritersResource  Sean NG   Matiz1994  froese-david
I can't edit the ingame credits though, that was done by Euclid, well, probably I could but...

Note that many stuff is uncompressed.
Witch fountain is at 11/d0c0
useable item like the hammer is at 11/c020
sunflower fairy at 11/9000 (while Rougue fairy can be found in zcompress)
...and so on. E.g., SePH used many graphics like the witch for other stuff so I needed to implement it over extra vram transfer.

Much luck Spin
btw You can add more tiles to the witch/fountain by re-implementing the tiles starting at 11/d000 (I made the head and body of the witch transparent, so only the pot and the moving stick are visible).
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Post by Conn on Mon 20 Nov 2017 - 7:31

Thanks for clearing it up.

Yes, in the drop box you need to select beginning to second part. Other possible reason it does not work is that you need to place the sprites in the under layer (area00-3f) - use Warp Swch button to switch between "light/darkworld"
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Post by Erockbrox on Mon 20 Nov 2017 - 21:46

I'm working on the concept of the coke fountain. Here are some ideas ranging from a vending machine to a bottle/can of coke. Let me know which idea you think would work best as a substitute for the witch.

Note these are mockups and not real in game screens.

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I may also not use the witches tiles, but just blank out the witch's graphics and put in regular graphics.
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Post by Erockbrox on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 5:24

Okay, so I've made a little progress so far.

I found a few graphics using zcompress and yychr that I want to change. However, I cannot find all of them that I wish to change by this method and I am unaware of any other method.

For instance

conn wrote:Note that many stuff is uncompressed.
Witch fountain is at 11/d0c0

I do not know where 11/d0c0 is at all. All I know is that I try and find the graphics in YYCHR. Can you please explain this 11/d0c0 location and how would I be able to change the graphics here once I found them.

Another thing, I was able to find the sony substation floor tile graphics for the outside area (overworld) right before the actual entrance, but I couldn't find the substation floor tile for the interiors using YYCHR.

I need these concepts explained to me.

I don't know what it means to say the graphics are compress vs uncompressed. They should all be in yychr darn it.
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Post by Conn on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 5:33

Well, with zcompress you get the compressed graphics as bin, and need to recompress them after changing. You need to load the BIN in yy-char.
Uncompressed means that you do not need zcompress, just load directly the ROM in yy-char and navigate to the given address 0x11d0c0.

Unrelated, here's a small complain by Smash:

So, um, was there a way for me to know that dashing into a Cane of Somaria block would make it bounce across the room? Because I got stuck for two weeks on level 10 for not remembering that and had to watch a YouTube video to figure it out.

Good thing the game is awesome so I didn't mind backtracking everywhere too much.and acquiring two Triforce pieces early.
Is there anywhere a hint for it,Puzz?
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Post by Erockbrox on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 6:04

Okay, I didn't know you could load just the rom in yychr. In smw hacking we never do this, we always load a .bin file, never the smw rom.

okay i found the witch, but since you made her head invisible I will have to try and find that tile. also seems like her lower part and upper part use two different sprite color pallets?

I will try and see if I can make her into a coke vending machine maybe like the old ones.

hmmm not exactly sure how you made the coke fountain from the witch. im confused.

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looks like the bottom part of the coke fountain is the witche's pot, but then what is the thing going up and down on the top of the fountain? don't know what part of the witch is this part? and what tile is her body and head???
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Post by Conn on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 6:44

I told you that already erock, the graphics start at 11/d000, the head and body are transparent and thus don't show up. If you put any graphics there, they do show up. And yes, the pot is the well. The stick is the up/down thing (should be a dildo water fountain) I simply removed some frames.

I don't think so. It is a well known trick, but a trick nevertheless. I believe some rooms are designed to be passable only with this trick.
mh, I consider making 1.2.6b where I point in the main entrance to this "Dash into a seed to solve first riddle or so", some non-zelda-veterans surely have problems here.


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Post by Conn on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 7:00

He could implement the witch body and head and shift a bit to the left, then it gets higher... but this requires asm knowledge he does not have (coordinate altering). Also implementing new palette colors (or simply change the "global" palette is out of reach for him I think. But as said, I am out of this project more or less, and start getting sick alone thinking about co-developing your Erock fork, as you certainly will have a mountain of thingies to change... I am surely out here.

Before I consider changing that monologue in PW ruins main entrance, are there more of such tricks? I did not really play that game often (developers' curse). Maybe bouncing back invisible to the bumpers in Erock's folder hint.
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Post by Conn on Wed 22 Nov 2017 - 7:56

Right, using the sword beam on bumpers in Jedi temple is much obvious. The invisible dash bounce back is only present in erocks folder. I'll take a look there and probably add a small note there too.
Unfortunately the kicking hint in pw ruins appears mandatory. However, it's monologue is in the shifted region. Ah well. Hope this is the last time to shift. Btw: I consider make a small spoiler walkthrough how to get through your quite hard block puzzle, that one with aghanim/zelda at the entrance... any idea how to do that best? Video, or a pdf as you did for iq?
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